>> i think egypt will look after its own interests, joe. because one thing the egyptians are very worried about the sina peninsula. it is a place for smugglers, terrorists, raiders, and it has a heavy -- so they must secure the sina peninsula, make sure they have american aid, and they must in the end try to be a broker between the isrealis and hamas, it's a game that egypt knows and one that egypt capitalizes on. >> how much do you think hamas won or gained in all of this? >> no, please, i'm a heretic on this one. i heard a lot of people say hamas gained, they had people came from all over the world -- the foreign minister of turkey came to gaza, et cetera et cetera. but when you look at the conditions, the economics, and the destruction of gaza, there is no gain there. it was said some years ago, six years ago, that hezbollah gained from it's war with israel, it did not, it brought destruction on to the people of south lebanon and the people of beroub beruit. >> always good to talk to you, thank you so much for coming in. >> thank you, jo